Sisterhood of the Rose organized an interview with Cobra about the importance of the Divine Intervention Activation taking place this month.
In this interview, Cobra and Debra, a leader with the Sisterhood of the Rose Planetary Network, discuss how the Divine Intervention Activation is a two-step process, involving a global mass meditation on the December 21st solstice, and the signing of the Planetary Liberation petition.
This two-step trigger will have the maximum effect on the planetary situation possible!
For more information about this important activation, please visit
https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2021/11/divine-intervention-activation-on-december-21st-at-4-pm-utc-1221.html It's important that as many people as possible participate on December 21, so please spread the word! The interview also covers topics such as Galactic intervention, First Contact, current events, the Event and Ascension, healing and protection, as well as the Goddess and Sisterhood of the Rose. You can listen to the interview on the Sisterhood of the Rose YouTube channel here:
Below is the transcript of the interview with Cobra by Sisterhood of the Rose: Debra: Hello, my name is Debra and I'm a leader with the Sisterhood of the Rose Planetary Network. Today, I have the pleasure to speak again with Cobra, who is the chief Intel provider for the Resistance Movement, where he offers important planetary and galactic information at his blog 2012portal.blogspot.com. Welcome Cobra and thank you so much for doing this interview. Cobra: It's a pleasure to do this interview again after one year. Debra: Yes, it has been a year and what a year it's been, so we will be talking about that. But we'd like to start with talking about a very important event that we have coming up on the December 21st solstice and that is our Divine Intervention Activation. We will be doing this activation as a two-step process and we will be doing a global mass meditation at 4:00 PM UTC on December 21st, and the second step is also signing the Planetary Liberation petition, and we'll discuss that in a moment. This two-step trigger will have the maximum effect on the planetary situation possible. The intent for this mass meditation is to co-create the trigger that will start the process of First Contact with benevolent Galactic beings and Divine Intervention. Let's start by discussing Divine Intervention. Part 1: Divine Intervention Activation
Debra: In this meditation, we are asking the Source to directly intervene into the situation on Earth, to trigger an intense healing transformation of humanity, and for Light to transmute all remaining darkness on Earth. So Cobra, what would Divine Intervention look like? I mean, in essence, are we asking the Source to trigger the Event, or at least the start of the Event? Cobra: In a way, yes, we are asking the Source to directly intervene in the situation on the planet in a way that is most beneficial at this particular moment. And of course, the final consequence will be the Event, but we are asking for an intervention to happen now as much as possible in the best possible way for the current situation. Debra: Okay. And if we reach critical mass, what intervention will occur? I mean, when will this happen? Is it possible this intervention would transmute all remaining darkness on Earth? Cobra: This is not likely at this point. We are not there yet, but definitely it will increase the process. It will accelerate the process and will be a big step towards the final completion. Debra: Okay, good. And what is so special about this December 21st meditation and also this December 2021 solstice? Cobra: Solstice every year is a very powerful moment, and this year, certain things are converging. I will not disclose them yet. I will disclose them just before the activation, but there are certain potentially important things happening that are planned for that time that are converging on that date. And we're using that day as a trigger to make those things possible. Debra: We look forward to hearing about what that will be. Now let's talk about First Contact with benevolent Galactic beings. You've stated that the benevolent citizens in our Galaxy would like humanity to join the Galactic family, but they need a clear, strong coherent signal from the surface population that contact is desired. But why is this signal necessary? I mean, don't they already know how much we need their help and would like to be a part of the Galactic family? Cobra: Okay, this planet has, I would say, about 8 billion inhabitants on the surface. And a very tiny percentage of those inhabitants of the surface have any interest, have stated any interest, for a connection for dialogue with the Galactic community. And that signal was simply too weak compared to other signals coming from the surface of the planet. And that's why they need more coherency, more clarity about this. And if our signal reaches the critical mass, it will be strong enough that it would be taken seriously because they need to take into account all the humanity on the surface. If there are just a few people mildly wishing for some kind of a Contact, that's not enough. It needs to be a clear intention, the first step towards Galactic dialogue and this is what we are achieving with this meditation and with this petition. Debra: Oh, that's interesting. You know, that makes sense because the collective is, as we know, quite asleep and I'm sure that we are sending them a very mixed message on what we want for the planet. How is it that we are not already a member of the Galactic family? Have we not yet been accepted into the Galactic family because of all of the anomaly and darkness on Earth? Or is it because we never sent out a cohesive signal, like you said? Cobra: That signal is just the first step. To really be a part of a Galactic family, you need to learn to behave like a part of the family, which humanity clearly hasn't done yet. So this will be just the first step. And even to be considered to be accepted, it will be a process. It will be a certain procedure, a certain protocol. And this is the first step of that protocol. I will say this is the first moment of Galactic diplomacy between the surface of the planet and the Galactic society. Debra: So do we need to be completely free of darkness before we can join the Galactic family? Cobra: To be officially accepted, yes. And this is going to be achieved through the process of the Event. Debra: Yes. What would it be like to be a part of this Galactic family? I mean, what would that look like? Would we see more evidence in our skies of ET craft? Will they appear on Earth? Will the telepathic channels open up more between us and them? What does it look like? Cobra: Humanity will have First Contact before it will be accepted as an equal part of the Galactic society. So First Contact, Divine Intervention, the Event, all those things will happen before. We are reaching beyond the Event with this activation actually; we are reaching to the point of really becoming part of the Galactic family, which is even more. And obviously this will be a very pleasant experience because finally at that point this planet will no longer be a planet of darkness. And obviously that is something that is much better than the state of affairs right now on the surface of the planet. Debra: Yes, and we'll talk about that in a moment. So when we talk of First Contact, we think of Galactic beings visiting us from space, but does First Contact also include benevolent beings underground, like the Agarthans and the Resistance Movement coming to the surface? Cobra: Yes, but this part is still classified. We're focusing now more on the Galactic part of the beings coming in the ships; first the Pleiadians contacting certain selected individuals and then spreading this further. So this is what our focus is with this right now. Debra: Okay. And you stated that if we reach a critical mass of 144,000 people joining the meditation, it will have far-reaching exopolitical and geopolitical consequences. So can you elaborate on those consequences? Cobra: Okay. First I will focus on the petition. If this petition reaches that number of signatures, it will be considered by the Galactic forces that we have represented a significant part of humanity that wishes to initiate contact. And by the Galactic law, they are required to respond. So they will respond in a certain way; how they will respond and how this will be communicated is not yet to be revealed, but there will be a response. And that response might not be public at first because that will not be safe, but there will be a certain process initialized. And once that process is started it cannot be stopped anymore. It cannot be reversed. So it will be something that will be put in motion. It will be set in motion that it will keep on going. Debra: Okay, and yeah, I would like to talk to you more about that petition in a moment too. But getting back to the meditation, what exactly are we meditating for with this meditation? You said certain people would be contacted by the Pleiadians. So is this for individual contact for certain people or for planetary contact, like a mass landing, and which would happen first? Cobra: It's for both actually. After certain selected individuals will be contacted, they will speak about their experience. A chain reaction will be triggered, which will lead at some point to massive sightings of the Galactic fleet, massive reporting of this in the media, all interwoven with the Event and with a full disclosure process. These are all elements of the same process that are happening in a certain particular sequence. Debra: Okay. And do you have an idea of who those people are that would be contacted? I know a lot of people are probably wondering who those people are and if it might be them. I mean, is it anyone that makes these decrees would be either physically or telepathically contacted if they are open to it, or are there specific people that the Light Forces have selected? Cobra: There is a certain protocol called the Contact Dish protocol, which I have published on my blog years ago, and people who are participating in that project will be among the first to be contacted because they have private land, which is from a legal standpoint, much easier for a small ship to land on a private land and that physical contact can be made without interference. This will be the easiest to manifest as soon as possible. As soon as it's safe, this will be done. Of course, many people will have telepathic contact; there will be people having spiritual experiences, visions, visitations in dreams. But now we're speaking more about real physical contact with evidence. People will be able to take photos, people will be able to record video. All this will be at some point distributed through the media. Debra: Is it possible that this could happen before the Event? Cobra: Yes, it's possible. The exact sequence is not yet to be disclosed at this point for obvious reasons, for strategic reasons, because there are many beings that are listening to this that are not really welcome to listen to this and have some agendas that are not in alignment with the Divine plan. But I would say that people will be contacted before the Event, in the final phase before the Event. Debra: What about people that don't own land? Are they eliminated from any kinds of physical contact? Cobra: No, they will not be eliminated, but it's a little bit more difficult to arrange something for them. It is possible to arrange something for them while they are walking in nature and on public land, but it's not that easy. So that will happen also, but it is easier to manifest physical contact for those who own land just for practical and legal reasons. Everything needs to be done correctly to minimize interference from the dark forces. That's the main reason. Safety is number one priority. People that will be contacted need to remain safe. Debra: Yes, of course. But I was thinking of that, what if a person was walking in nature someplace and if that would maybe be an option? Cobra: That is an option, yes. As soon as it will be safe and as soon as it will be convenient, that will happen. Debra: And what would make it safe? Cobra: It means that the Cabal is losing enough power. It means a location where that particular person will be walking will be easily accessible from the orbit. For example, for the Pleiadian craft, it needs to be positioned that is not too close to military bases. It needs to be a position which is in a favorable position, not to be overly detected from the ground. There are many factors involved. Debra: I see. Okay. So they might have to be pretty far out in nature privately. Cobra: Yeah. This is different from case to case. There are many other factors involved. I would say also the consciousness of the recipient is a major factor, attachment of that person to other persons, the social network of that person. There are many reasons, many, many different factors, which are determining who to be contacted, when, and how. Debra: What would you suggest on how we prepare ourselves for that possible contact? Cobra: I would suggest people to read the Contact Dish protocol on my blog and everything is written there. Debra: Okay. I just wonder because you were talking about our social network and the consciousness of that person. Cobra: I will not go further into this at this point. Debra: Okay. The higher our vibration is, the more we work on ourselves and cleaning our energy fields, probably would help with all of that, I’m sure. Cobra: Definitely, definitely. The Pleiadians have a priority list and they will contact people who are the most conscious and who will be safe enough to go through that contact without any interference from the dark. So there are two main factors at this point. Debra: Very good to know. So there's been a little bit of confusion about what this whole activation is about. Is it like a final plea? Are we calling this in because the Light Forces have realized that the dark are more powerful than expected and that we are running out of time, that we need extra help? We know that liberation of Earth is 100% required as the Galactic Codex clearly mandates this, but are we doing this activation because we are at the stage where things need to be done faster and dramatic action is required? Cobra: Okay, this is not done from a position of desperation. It's done from a position of power. It means that finally the consciousness of the surface population is ready to reach the critical mass with this. This petition, for example, was created eight years ago and the numbers at that time were about 20,000 people. We have already gathered five times that amount right now, up until this point. So we can see that the situation now in the eight years has developed to a point where we can actually realistically reach that critical mass and set this process in motion. So this is why we're doing this now. It's a perfect moment. It's the first time when it's realistically possible to achieve this. Debra: That is a very inspiring and optimistic way of looking at this, so I'm so glad to hear that you say that, that’s great news. Do we need extraterrestrials to bring in the new Earth? Is there any chance we could do this ourselves or do we really need their assistance? Cobra: There are two one-sided perspectives on this planet. One is that we need to do everything on our own. And the other one, we are helpless, and we are powerless and need external help. Actually, what is necessary here is partnership. Partnership between the surface population and the Galactic races. And this is the way it is done all over the galaxy, and this is the way it has to be done here to be successful. We have one necessary essential element to the liberation, and they have the other one, and only together we can make this possible. So this is why this partnership is necessary to empower each other and to make this liberation possible. We are creating a bridge between the surface of the planet and the heaven, and this bridge will trigger the Event. It will assist in that process, and it will defeat the darkness. Debra: Yes, together is very, very powerful. We could learn from that here on planet Earth about working together! So let's talk about the power of putting our consciousness together through the mass meditation. We have reached before critical mass of 144,000 people; we've even reached a million before. But we haven't really seen many results in the physical, and that has been discouraging for some people. Can you explain how these meditations have helped in ways that we may not see with our physical eyes? I know you've explained this before, but it really feels like people need to hear this again. Cobra: People sometimes have expectations that are not based in reality. People are expecting a few minutes of one strong meditation can transmute all darkness on planet Earth which was accumulating here for thousands and thousands of years. That of course is not possible. Real physical change that will be visible, evident, and what people are expecting, will only happen the last few weeks before the Event. Nothing will be really visible months before the Event. The only time when people will really begin to notice changes is a few weeks before the Event. So no matter how many meditations we do before that particular moment, there'll be no really strongly visible external changes. What does change with every meditation is we empower the positive timeline, and we prevent many negative things from happening. Without our meditations, we would not be having this conversation right now, maybe this surface of the planet would already have been destroyed. So we have averted so many negative scenarios. We have averted so many wars. They have attempted to create a war in Syria, in Iraq, in Iran, in Israel, in Ukraine, you name it. So many times over and never succeeded. The only time they succeeded was with this pandemic, and the only reason why they succeeded with this pandemic, I would say the main reason why they succeeded with this pandemic, was that the key Lightworkers on the planet have made crucial, stupid, and egoistic mistakes in 2018 and in 2019. That could all be prevented; it was not necessary, this pandemic. It’s completely unnecessary, this whole drama could be avoided. But I would say that many other things have been avoided with our meditations and it helped a lot. Many things could have been much worse than they are now. It's a complete miracle that we are not living in a completely totalitarian New World Order regime right now. There are elements of it, yes, but we are not there, we are not living in concentration camps. So it's a complete miracle that we are not there. If we compare what the dark forces are doing, how much energy they put into this and the state of humanity of the surface of the planet, we have been extremely successful if we see how these things could have turned out. Debra: Wow, that just demonstrates the power that Lightworkers do have! Cobra: Much more than people realize. Much more than people realize. Debra: And that alone is a wakeup call I think for many. I'm so glad that you said that. And it also shows the power of mass meditation too. I want to ask, will it help to do the meditation daily before the big global one on December 21st? Will that have any impact in building up energies? Cobra: Yes, of course it will be, it will help building up the energy. Of course, you are invited to do the meditation anytime you want, every day. If that's your guidance, that's perfect. Debra: Okay. We know that with these mass meditations, the more people that participate, the more impactful it will be. So it is important that people promote this one as much as possible, especially what you've shared with us about what results we could see from it. The intention for this one, with calling in First Contact of Galactic beings, isn't really for everyone. You know, many "unawakened" people would find this either silly or frightening. So how can we bring in more mainstream folks to increase our numbers? Is it by focusing on the "divine intervention" aspect of it, or what do you think? Cobra: Well, you need to use your own guidance, so who you share this with and what your wording is. But I have made a public call to a few figures out there who are actually, in a way, working on this, promoting First Contact in a certain way, and they have not responded. So I would simply say, I don't understand this. We are trying to create something really beautiful, something really important, and there is simply no interest. So you see the Galactic Forces are observing all this, and this is why they have reservations. There is simply not enough unity; everybody's having their little garden, their little group of followers, and doing their own thing, which is understandable from the Galactic perspective as much as they understand human psychology, but they cannot take things seriously if this is all they see, if you know what I mean. Debra: Yeah, absolutely. I think this is a time for people to put their egos aside and have unity in the community and gather together to really help this planet, because there is power in numbers. So we send out a call to everyone to hear this, share this with your followers, share this on your social network, share with your family and friends. We do need it. It would be great if we could get as many people as possible, especially those with large followings. Cobra: Yes, I'm not speaking to convert anybody or to try to convince people who are not open to this, but there are people who are already working on this on some level, in a certain way. And those are the people who would need to participate anyway. Because this is not my own little personal idea, it's part of the global plan for humanity. (Yes) And anybody else could start this at any point, but they didn't. So this could be started at any point in the last 50 or 60 years, because people know about extraterrestrial races, there are many books and videos and movies about this for the last few decades already out there. And this could be initiated at any point, but it wasn't. So the time is now. Now it's time for us to really get our act together and do this. Debra: Yes, one hundred percent. Let's talk a little bit more about the petition because it is very important. I would like people to have a really clear understanding about why we're doing this, it seems a little bit silly to create a petition to talk to Galactic beings. But you mentioned that energetic bridge that this will create, so could you speak more about that, and how this will speed up the process of liberation? Cobra: Okay. This is actually a legal document. We are signing a legal document; we are creating the declaration of our unified will. And if this declaration is strong enough, the Galactic Forces will take this seriously. You see, they can read the minds of people and they can see all the conflicting thoughts in people's minds. In one way, people would like to have intervention, and in other ways, they are angry at the Light Forces. And then they're afraid, and then they doubt if any of this even exists and there is no proof. And you know, all those mixed thoughts create a very mixed signal. And they need something very clear and very coherent to respond to this. (Okay) And this needs to be a physical action, it needs to be a physical document. It needs to be a physical process. You need to sit down at your computer and sign the petition, because you want intervention on the physical plane. It is all about manifestation, if you want physical action, you need to take physical action Debra: That makes a lot of sense. Cobra: And this is creating a bridge between higher dimensions and the physical plane. It creates a network. It creates a bridge also between the surface of the planet and all those locations in the orbit where the ships are. Debra: Okay, yeah, that makes great sense. And so you mentioned earlier that it was initially launched about eight years ago, in 2013. So why is it so important now that we reach the critical mass? And what happens if we don't have 144,000 signatures by the time…? Cobra: It was always important to reach the critical mass, but it was not realistic. If I would start this years ago, it would not happen, but right now we have the first real chance to do it. And we will reach the critical mass. I'm not talking about the possibility that we're not going to reach the critical mass. So we are going to reach a critical mass. Debra: Yes, we definitely are. What happens if someone signed it years ago, but they can't recall if they had; should they sign it again now? Cobra: I've made instructions very clear. You sign only once. Debra: Okay. And would you just speak a little bit more about how having critical mass on this petition will magnify the effect of the meditation that we're doing? Cobra: It will actually be the first real step towards what we are manifesting in this meditation. So when the critical mass of the petition is reached, this will, as I said before, set a certain legal and exopolitical process. There will be certain dialogue created. The Galactic councils will meet, they will make decisions. They will initialize certain action that will involve in a certain way also the surface of the planet. It will speed up the Contact process. Things will set in motion and what we're realizing is exactly that. So this petition will accelerate the timeline towards the Contact. Galactic fleet will be authorized to be more active in lower orbit and towards the surface. There might be connections on the surface. I cannot disclose more right now, but I would say that certain things will be sped up. They will be accelerated. The Galactic Force will have more authority to do more than they had before. They will have a stronger hand against the Cabal, so they will be authorized to do more because they will know we want the bad guys to be gone – not just in some confusing thoughts, not full of revenge and powerlessness, but with clear intent, which is much more powerful. Debra: Yes, absolutely. And I just have to share this…I just got confirmation that we will reach 144,000. When I glanced down, it was 1:44 [pm] where I am, so that was a very powerful message. So we look forward to that!
Part 2: Galactic Situation Update
Debra: Let's now move on to talking a little bit about the Galactic situation. You said in a recent post, how the Light Forces are creating a Dyson Sphere around the sun and around the Earth in order to temper the strength of the Galactic pulse that will come from the Galactic Central Sun in the near future (and we love those words “in the near future”). We are looking at this as good news, that this is for preparation for the powerful, incoming Galactic energies of the Event. And the question is, are these Dyson spheres needed so that we don't end up like Atlantis? Were they used when the pulse hit the Earth at the time of Atlantis? And have they been used on other planets that went through what we're about to go through? Cobra: Those Dyson Spheres are used regularly when a planet goes through a phase transition like this. Every time the sun goes Mininova and when the conditions are correct, the planets with inhabited life are protected against excess radiation because strong solar pulses always create so much radiation that it might not be so easy to survive it. So this Dyson Sphere will filter out certain frequencies. It will regulate certain frequencies so that whatever we go through, we survive the process intact. Debra: Can you give us any insight into the technology that will create these spheres and will they be visible to us in any way? Cobra: Actually, they are not spheres, they are just called spheres. This is actually certain huge motherships put into certain sacred geometry position around the Earth and around the sun that create a quantum force field that filters out frequencies. They will be cloaked. They will not be visible. (I see, okay.) They might be visible at the moment of the polar shift and the final evacuation, but not before. Debra: Okay. And have the Light Forces started this project, and how long does it take to align their ships? Cobra: I would say they are in early initial phases of creating this. When the conditions in the solar system are correct, this can be done pretty fast. But conditions are not quite ready yet. But now I would say they are in the initial phases of building this. Debra: So, let's get an update on the conditions. Since much of the non-physical planes have been cleared, what is left to clear and is actually sustaining the powerbase of the dark forces still at this point? Cobra: I will not give any updates upon this before the meditation and the petition process is completed. Debra: Okay. But we can get something afterwards? Cobra: Yes. There will be an update after that at a certain point. Debra: Okay, good. Are you able to give us an update on the progress of the toplet bombs? Are they still the greatest obstacles to the Event? Cobra: Yes. They are still the greatest obstacles. Yes. Debra: Has there been any progress made on this? Cobra: There is progress ongoing, but this is a very tough subject. I mean, it's really, this has been really tough clearing those toplet bombs. It's a challenge, but there's progress being made. Debra: Okay. So can you tell us, how do the Pleiadians and other Light Forces know how to address these esoteric, negative forces, such as the subquantum anomaly? Have they dealt with these types of things in the Pleiades or in their home planets? Cobra: They have been dealing with this for, I would say, even millions of years, but it was always a challenge because this is in a way very advanced, that the dark forces are using advanced technology, which uses those principles. And in a way it's very chaotic; primary anomaly is unpredictable. It's hard to study. It's hard to contain. It's hard to process. It's hard to clear. And I would say in the last few years, the progress of the Light Forces is much, much, much greater than it was ever in the past because they are learning key ingredients to this, because this is simply the last few things to clear. Everything else had been resolved in the galaxy. So this is the toughest, the most challenging part(s), and there is progress being made daily now. Debra: Okay. Are you able to assure us that they will be able to clear this anomaly? Cobra: They will be, yes. The question is only how we get to the point of the Event. I mean, we will get there, the road to get there is rough, but we are getting there slowly. Debra: Yes. Can we talk about the Central Race? I know in one of our previous mass meditations, we got their attention. How are they involved with this now? And also people are curious what they look like. Cobra: Yes, they are giving great assistance to the Galactic Confederation. They are giving great assistance with the Dyson Spheres, with clearing of the solar system, with clearing of the primary anomaly, of subquantum anomaly, of the toplet bombs. They are working with all this, and they are giving a lot of assistance to the whole process. Debra: Okay, good. And can you give us a clue as to what they look like? Cobra: It's hard to describe. They are very high dimensional beings. They don't manifest in shape and form. They have never been in the physical. So they are like more energetic beings. They are not physical. They don't have a concrete shape. They could of course take any shape they wanted if they chose to manifest, but they have never done that. Debra: That's exactly how I pictured them. Okay, thank you for answering that. Let's talk a little bit about the implants. You stated that the implants are not quantumly entangled anymore, and that the Light Forces have started with gradual clearing of these. As you know, there is an international group of us that conduct free implant clearing sessions for Lightworkers on an ongoing basis to help clear these. Can you tell us how these sessions are making an impact, both for the people that are attending and on a collective level? Back in May you stated, “Quantum fluctuation directly related to human implants and biochips are clearing better than expected. Spacetime distortion created by the implants and biochips is being reduced fast and drastically. And this has resulted in a significant decrease of human emotion volatility in the last few weeks.” So Cobra, we are wondering if this confirms the effectiveness of these sessions? And are these sessions an important support for the Light Forces and planetary liberation? Cobra: Yes, those sessions have assisted quite much, and I would encourage everybody who is involved in those sessions, if they feel so guided, to continue and actually to expand those sessions, because this is a really helpful tool for the Light Forces to clear implants faster and more efficiently. Debra: Okay, great. Thank you. I was going to ask if you felt that it was important that we continue these. Is there anything that we can do to add to these protocols to make them more effective and to accelerate the planetary liberation? Cobra: At this point, the protocols which are now in use are still okay. There might be an upgrade at some point after the meditation or there might not be, we will see how things develop. There is a possibility of a certain update. Debra: Absolutely, sounds good. And you've stated before that the only location where toplet bombs still remain is within the implants inside the energy field of human beings, where a black hole singularity exists. So by doing these exercises to help dissolve our implants, are we in essence assisting the Light Forces in dissolving the remaining toplet bombs? Cobra: We are assisting them, for them it gets easier to access the toplet bombs. We are not dealing with the toplet bombs directly, it is simply too dangerous, but we are assisting the Light Forces to get better access to this and to approach this in a way that is safe and efficient. Debra: Okay, good, good. We know that the implants cannot be fully removed until the Event, but for those people that attend on a regular basis, what are some of the benefits that they could experience? Are they actually dissolving their implants? Cobra: What people can achieve is deprogramming, dissolution of limiting belief systems, liberation of consciousness. That can definitely be a result of this clearing process. People can gather their experiences and they can post it somewhere for inspiration, people who are working on this. Debra: Oh, that's a good idea, thank you. And we will share that with our audience. We've been asked before, are there also good implants? Cobra: Can you repeat that question? Debra: Are there also good implants, positive ones that benefit us? Cobra: I would not call them good implants, but there were certain races which are in the intermediate state of development that are putting implants with good intention for communication, for scanning, for healing. This was done a lot in Atlantis. It was done also on the ships of certain extraterrestrial races, but I would say this is outdated and old technology. Debra: Okay. I'd like to ask you a question about the Age of Aquarius. Last December solstice, we did a successful meditation and reached critical mass, and during our interview for that, you mentioned that if a critical mass was achieved, we might be able to see positive results within one to two months following. And of course, many people were expecting more utopian type results in 2021, rather than the chaos that has ensued. We understand that in the dismantling of the matrix some chaos is expected, but many are wondering how, and when, we will experience the energies of the Age of Aquarius? I would like to point out a statement you made in August that said, "After the purification of Rigelian forces that invaded Earth in 1996 is over by mid/late October, it will be expectedly much easier to manifest the dreams of the Age of Aquarius on the surface of the planet." So Cobra, could you elaborate on all this please? Will the Age of Aquarius naturally happen collectively on its own in its own time, or do we each have to make a proactive, committed effort to manifest it for ourselves in our own individual life? Cobra: There are two factors involved here. The first one is there is simply more darkness than anybody expected, I expected, the Resistance Movement expected, or the Light Forces expected. And the second factor is there is less cooperation and more egoism and more stupidity among the Lightworkers than anybody expected. So those two factors combined have resulted in this process being less pleasant and more challenging than I initially expected. So it is hard to determine how this will play out, but I would say the more people hold the Light, the more people cooperate in a positive way, the more people develop and manifest common sense together with a spirit of cooperation, the more, the easier our roles will be. Of course, the dark forces will try to challenge that, this is their nature, this is a war, and of course they want to win when they're in the war, and they will do whatever they can to win. They will not win, but they will do whatever they can to disturb this process. But if we manifest more unity, that will be a very powerful protection against that. So it's a matter of two forces interacting. On the positive side, we have those Lightworkers who are cooperating and who are manifesting common sense. And on the other side, we have the dark forces that are already cooperating and that are using their strategy in a way that is much more efficient than I have seen among most of the Lightworkers. And then we have the Light Forces clearing the exotic technologies, and they cannot intervene directly before the threat of exotic technologies is removed. So this is the situation now. We have much power in our hands to make the rest of this journey easier. Debra: Well, you said something very important in terms of our unity is what will offer us powerful protection against the dark. And so that is a note that we really need to unite. Cobra: Yes. And of course, most people will not take me seriously and they will still not cooperate, and we will have more mandates, more of the same until the breakthrough happens. This is most likely what would happen. I'm not very hopeful again, I have seen enough of human nature to see how people behave. But there'll be a point when enough of the negative, exotic technologies will be removed and the Light Forces will make the breakthrough, and then of course, this war will be over, it will not matter anymore, this will be a total game changer. Part 3: Current Events Debra: I would like to talk to you about the current state of the planet, and you know, of course, the biggest topic everyone is talking about is the virus and all that's related to it. As you said, the dark is quite more powerful than anyone expected; so with this current timeline that we're on, are we heading to disaster? And if this is the case, can you tell us what is coming? What really is the probability that in our future we will experience a dystopian-type society of military-forced injections, quarantine camps, food shortages, AI takeover, etc.? Cobra: We are not heading towards disaster; we are in a tug of war. We are now in a situation where both sides are equally powerful and are opposing the other. So the good guys are opposing all this and the bad guys want to manifest this. On one hand, we have a slow collapse of the society, on the other hand, we have a big awakening happening. People who haven't seen what's going on even a few months ago now are opening their eyes, and they see, and there is a massive positive non-compliance happening also at the same time. So we have a dynamic equilibrium between both dark and the Light agendas here. Both sides are quite powerful, and I expect this tension to continue until the breakthrough happens. At some point, there will be more of the dark appearing to win, at some point there will be more of the Light appearing to win, and this equilibrium, these strong opposing forces in my expectations will continue like this until the breakthrough. And, of course, we are not going back into the old normal, this is not going to happen, this went too far. The old society has reached a point of no return in the summer of 2019 already, and this cannot be reversed, the only way is up, the only way is towards the Event. Debra: So really, how far we descend into this dystopian society really kind of depends on... you said that the balance and the tipping of the scales to be more in favor of the Light. Cobra: If people get oppressed, they need to resist that oppression. I mean, peacefully, coherently, massively. If people say nothing, if people just comply, then it's easier for the dark forces to implement those measures. Debra: Do you see more and more people waking up as time progresses and the awakening building? Cobra: I can see more people coming to a realization that something is not right, something is going on, people are beginning to question things. Of course, the alternative media has been poisoned with so much disinformation and when people begin to read all those articles and look at all of those videos, they get more confused, but at least they begin to question the official narrative, they begin to think, they begin to want to make their own choices, which is a very positive occurrence. It hasn't ever happened on such a massive scale before, this is the first time in human history we have hundreds of millions, if not billions of people for the first time questioning the official story. This has never happened before. Debra: Okay. In July you stated that "a consensus has been reached within the Confederation that a drastic intervention will take place at the right moment on the surface of the planet. Not much can be said about this at the moment, apart from the fact that if the Cabal crosses a certain line, the intervention will come sooner and it will be harsher." So is this the intervention that we are meditating for on December 21st? And has that line been crossed? Cobra: Okay. I would say the Light Forces did a mistake by issuing that statement and not understanding how life really is on the surface of the planet. They can have all the mathematical models of what is the tipping point, but for us on the surface is a different story. This is real life rather than just a graph on the wall, a graph on the screen, you know, so I would say that from the perspective of the surface population, the line has been crossed many times over. But they are dealing with a different scenarios, they're dealing with the different realities, they are dealing with preventing the explosion of the toplet bombs, and keeping the planet intact in one piece without the surface being wiped out, and they are preventing those kinds of scenarios. So I would not try to even speculate and guess where that line is, but I know it exists. Debra: Do you have any idea how far they will let us into that dystopian society before they take that dramatic action that they mentioned? Cobra: I don't want to comment on this. It's not something that I would like to. Debra: Okay. Can you tell us what the action would be by them? Cobra: There are certain scenarios that are classified, I cannot talk about, but I would say, certain things are being prepared, but I don't want to give unnecessary hope. I don't want to create more speculation that might lead to nothing productive. Debra: Right. Okay, I understand. Obviously, people are feeling the tension and we're all witnessing the panic and desperation of the dark. Would you say that based on that representation you showed us of the nucleation phases, would you say that we are at the boiling point? Cobra: Yes, we are in the last phase before the breakthrough, before the maximum terminal flux, which is the Event. So we are in that last phase, and the thermal flux is accelerating, which you can actually experience. All that tension that is felt is actually more and more energies flowing, more and more, I would say in terms of physics, more and more thermal flux occurring in the system. And it's increasing and it will keep increasing until the Event. So there will be more tension, more dynamic forces in play, until something breaks and that will be the moment of the Event. Debra: Can you give us an idea of approximately how long we'll have to be in this boiling point? And as you say, "Hold on a little longer and withstand the siege"? Cobra: No. No. I would say the best, if you are a situation like this, the common strategic sense would be to keep holding the Light, no matter how long it takes. Because if you let it go right now, if you surrender right now to this chaos, then it's not going to be fine. You need to keep your focus, you need to keep your light ongoing, holding that tension, holding that consciousness, that focus, until the breakthrough happens. Debra: Okay. We do see the population that they're dividing into two; those who can clearly see the intentions of the deception taking place, and those who cannot see it for what it is. So if the Event cannot happen for some time, what is the Plan B of the Light Forces to help people who do not want to be a part of the world run by merciless Cabal? Cobra: There is no Plan B. This is now the Gamma timeline, which calls for direct intervention. Since a few years ago, we were on Gamma timeline and this needs to happen, so there is no Plan B. It just needs to unravel until its final resolution. Debra: And what did you say? It calls for what? Cobra: We are in this Gamma timeline; we need to keep on going until the intervention happens. Debra: Okay. Understood. Cobra: People are waiting passively for the Event; this is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you need to do whatever you can to make your life better, to manifest as good a life as possible, and in the circumstances that they are right now. But the Event is the final goal. We have been born for something greater. We have this higher purpose in mind as well. So both. This moment, live as good as possible, do your mission, and live your life in a way that is aligned with your divine plans. Debra: Okay. And what about people that are speaking up? You know, there's protests taking place all over the world to counteract the mandates and lockdowns. Would you talk about these huge demonstrations and tell us how effective they are? Are they getting the attention of the politicians and people in power? And do these help the energy of the Light Forces? Cobra: Of course, the politicians are aware of all those demonstrations. Of course, they will ignore them. Of course, they will do nothing. They will pretend nothing is happening because they want to keep their positions, they want to keep their power. But energetically speaking, the coherence of the field is rising, the power of human consciousness against this New World Order takeover is rising, it's increasing in power until the breakthrough. So this is the counter force which prevents all those negative scenarios, like concentration camps, etcetera, from actually manifesting. It keeps them at bay. Debra: Okay, good. Is it likely that we'll get to a point where there's a global revolution on such a grand scale that it would bring some of the negative elites to their knees before the Event? Cobra: It is a possibility, as I said, it's a dynamic scenario with many rips and undercurrents and anything is possible. There was one possibility for a major revolution and an occurrence breaking through in September, which did not manifest, which is better because it was more peaceful. It could be quite violent, and we could not be having this conversation right now if it manifested. So if this revolutionary timeline manifests, it will be quite drastic, dynamic. It can have various outcomes. Some of them are pleasant, some of them are less pleasant. So we will see, it's impossible to predict, there are too many variables in this situation right now. Debra: We know that the Light Forces are doing whatever they can to make sure that the transition is as smooth as possible with the matrix collapsing. What can we do here on the surface of the planet to help with that? Cobra: Okay. I will again say common sense. Common sense is very much needed. Everybody's so emotionally polarized and so easily swept with this current negativity in one way or the other. So common sense is very much needed. And a spirit of cooperation, which has been almost completely lost. The surface population never really understood how it is to cooperate. That is something that is completely natural in the rest of the universe. We are going to learn to cooperate. That's very important. Debra: Right. So let's get back to what's going on right on the surface. Can we assume that the Delta Option is no longer a possibility and that we are just going to go straight into the Event? Or is the Delta Option actually taking place already? Cobra: No, that Delta option is still remotely possible, but not very likely. It was not triggered, because there were certain discussions to trigger this in January and February of this year when there were certain occurrences taking place, but the key people who would need to be part of this operation had too many weaknesses, they were too compromised, and the Light Forces have decided not to initiate them for that particular reason. Some of those weaknesses of those people are being exposed right now as I speak, in certain circles people might know what I'm talking about. Debra: Interesting. You've said that the "Great Reset" proposed by the Cabal would not be successful, which is good news, and that the new financial system would be fair to everyone. Would you share if the planned financial system has changed from what you told us a few years ago? Cobra: The basic plan is still the same. There might be some technical improvements because the world has changed a bit, but the basic plan is still the same. Debra: Okay. And, as usual, there are people in the alternative media that say that mass arrests are happening, but you have stated many times that mass arrests will happen only at the time of the Event. Cobra: They will happen at the time of the Event and there will be evidence, it will be in the mass media. It will not be on some obscure-alternative website without proof. It will be very much evident; it will be everywhere. Debra: Okay. And you've also stated that the Positive Military will NOT move before all extraterrestrial and subterranean threats are removed, and most exotic weapons are removed from the surface. Can you speak a little more about the update of the removal of these things? Is that what we're going to get after the activation on the 21st? Cobra: After the activation, because activation is changing certain things and I would like to do an update after this is done. Debra: Okay, and we are trusting that those changes will be very positive and there will be very great news with that one. What about the seismic activity around the world that some are speculating are related to further activity in the DUMBS? Can you elaborate what may be happening? We've been doing meditations for the hostages in the underground bases. What is the status of clearing these of both human and extraterrestrial hostages? Cobra: The process is ongoing. I would say a vast majority of this has been cleared already, but not all of it. So compared to what was the situation last year, it's a huge, huge progress. Debra: Very good. So it looks like the meditations are helping Cobra: Yes, very much so. Debra: Very good. And some respected alternative news sources are saying that in the United States there are hospitals that have whole sections that are closed. And in these areas of the hospitals there are med beds and that the rescued children [and adults are being helped there]. Cobra: Not true. Debra: Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. And you talked in the past how America is "The New Atlantis" with support from St. Germain in freeing America from the mind control and corruption that has been going on for about 150 years here. Why is the United States important in freeing the planet? Cobra: Yes, actually St. Germain has been very active more than 200 years ago in the United States to set a foundation for the New Atlantis, for new society. He was involved in the creation of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, and that is a very solid foundation. If used properly, it could already bring the new society. But again, people are imperfect, so that's why it takes time. But the foundation is very solid, it is still there, and it has a huge potential in the coming years when things change. Debra: And St. Germain also has connections to France, because you mentioned that the United States and France are really central to planetary liberation. Is this why France is also important? Cobra: Yes, Saint Germain was active in France and also serving other people, certain other groups, which are quite important. Paris in France is a very important trigger point which might accelerate things when the time is right. Debra: Okay. And what can you tell us about the Queen of England? It appears that she's quite weak and perhaps has died. Ben Fulford recently made it appear that the Queen is a "good guy". So what is happening there with the Queen of England? The British Royal family appears to be in transition. So can you talk about this at all? Cobra: I would say there have been certain negotiations and certain changes happening between different factions of the Cabal. The Jesuit faction wants depopulation of the Earth. And the Rothschilds are more inclined towards the Great Reset, Klaus Schwab-type Great Reset “You will own nothing and you will be happy”, more like a techno-feudalism type of society without mass exterminations. And the Rothschilds therefore see themselves as the "good guys", and as the "good guys", the Queen of England is very much connected to the Rothschilds, and she sees herself as a good person actually, because she's against the depopulation of the Earth. Of course, we will not agree with her assessment of the situation. There has been a lot of propaganda from the Rothschilds in the last week or so about this, and of course, I will take this with a grain of salt. This is not exactly the type of future we want to manifest. We are speaking about real life and a real Galactic society. We are not speaking about their type of techno-feudalist dystopian society they want to create. Debra: Is one side or the other stronger? One side you said was looking for depopulation, and the other side is looking for more of almost like a communist socialist society. Cobra: Well, it's about half-half right now. (Ok) But this can change. This is the situation right at this moment, but this can change. Debra: Yes. Well, we want both of them to go away, so that's the change we're looking for. Cobra: Both of them WILL go away. Debra: Yes. Would you elaborate on what would be important to share regarding the Ghislaine Maxwell trial and it's significance at this point? Cobra: Yes, actually that is a very good opportunity for certain things to come into mainstream media, and probably some of them will come in the mainstream media. It will be reported and there will be a lot of talk about it. This is a good potential for the next step of disclosure or exposure of what's happening behind the scenes in the Cabal. And this can serve as another trigger for awakening, for people to see what is really going on on this planet. Debra: So you're saying that the Cabal media will actually report some truth? Cobra: They will be forced to because it will be everywhere. I mean, there are enough journalists, there is enough awareness right now, that this cannot be swept under the rug. It cannot be hidden anymore. Debra: Okay, good. What about Elon Musk? He's gone back and forth between working for the Light, working for the dark. What is the Starlink connected to? Cobra: Starlink is actually not a good idea. It's been used by the Chimera to reinforce the quarantine. Elon Musk is sometimes simply too naive. He has certain good ideas, but he is easily manipulated. He doesn't have bad intentions at his core, but he has been manipulated. Certain decisions that he made were not exactly very bright. Debra: Thank you for sharing that. What about 5G technologies? Should we be concerned about that anymore at this point? Cobra: Of course, it's not the healthiest and the best, but I would not be overly concerned at this point. I would be more concerned about the things I was talking about – about common sense, about cooperation, about manifesting a new world. This is something that people need to focus upon. Debra: Good point. You've mentioned cyberattacks before as being a good possibility in our future. Are those still on the agenda, are they a concern? Cobra: Yes, they are still on the agenda of the dark forces. They have plans to manifest this, but the Light Forces are working against this as well, so we will see. Debra: Okay. Let's talk about the Congo vortex. Is that still the master key for the energy grid around the planet? And what is the status of it? Cobra: It is one of the master keys. It has been partially damaged again. The Light Forces are working on it, but it's not in excellent condition, it is not. So there needs to be some healing work done on this vortex. Debra: Okay. Are there places in the world where negative entities and elites take refuge together? We ask this because we would like to know where to make Buddhic Columns to help the Light Forces to cleanse energetically. Cobra: Well, there are locations around the world where there is a tendency for the entities to gather. I would not specify those locations because this is not for the mass humanity right now to put focus upon. At some point if people would like to clear this with Buddhic Columns, people can contact me, or the key persons can contact me, and I can give some of the locations to be cleared, but this is not to be shared with the public right now. Debra: Yes, thank you, I was just going to ask you if we could contact you directly to find out, so thank you.